MPEC 2004-X73 : COMETS C/2004 V9, 2004 V10 (SOHO)
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M.P.E.C. 2004-X73 Issued 2004 Dec. 14, 22:18 UT The Minor Planet Electronic Circulars contain information on unusual minor planets and routine data on comets. They are published on behalf of Commission 20 of the International Astronomical Union by the Minor Planet Center, Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory, Cambridge, MA 02138, U.S.A. Supported in part by the Brinson Foundation Prepared using the Tamkin Foundation Computer Network MPC@CFA.HARVARD.EDU URL http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/iau/mpc.html ISSN 1523-6714 COMETS C/2004 V9, 2004 V10 (SOHO) Observations: CK04V090 S2004 11 07.75423 14 55 45.8 -18 32 08 EX073249 CK04V090 s2004 11 07.75423 2 -0.00969945 -0.00322104 -0.00157814 EX073249 CK04V090 S2004 11 07.77091 14 55 33.4 -18 27 49 EX073249 CK04V090 s2004 11 07.77091 2 -0.00969783 -0.00322329 -0.00157862 EX073249 CK04V090 S2004 11 07.78758 14 55 21.4 -18 24 20 EX073249 CK04V090 s2004 11 07.78758 2 -0.00969621 -0.00322555 -0.00157910 EX073249 CK04V090 S2004 11 07.81376 14 55 03.4 -18 19 02 EX073249 CK04V090 s2004 11 07.81376 2 -0.00969366 -0.00322909 -0.00157985 EX073249 CK04V090 S2004 11 07.82924 14 54 51.9 -18 16 02 EX073249 CK04V090 s2004 11 07.82924 2 -0.00969215 -0.00323118 -0.00158029 EX073249 CK04V090 S2004 11 07.83757 14 54 46.2 -18 14 08 EX073249 CK04V090 s2004 11 07.83757 2 -0.00969134 -0.00323231 -0.00158053 EX073249 CK04V090 S2004 11 07.85424 14 54 35.1 -18 10 44 EX073249 CK04V090 s2004 11 07.85424 2 -0.00968972 -0.00323457 -0.00158101 EX073249 CK04V090 S2004 11 07.89593 14 54 05.6 -18 02 04 EX073249 CK04V090 s2004 11 07.89593 2 -0.00968564 -0.00324022 -0.00158221 EX073249 CK04V090 S2004 11 07.91256 14 53 53.5 -17 58 32 EX073249 CK04V090 s2004 11 07.91256 2 -0.00968401 -0.00324247 -0.00158269 EX073249 CK04V090 S2004 11 07.92090 14 53 48.2 -17 56 43 EX073249 CK04V090 s2004 11 07.92090 2 -0.00968319 -0.00324360 -0.00158293 EX073249 CK04V090 S2004 11 07.93756 14 53 36.6 -17 53 11 EX073249 CK04V090 s2004 11 07.93756 2 -0.00968156 -0.00324586 -0.00158341 EX073249 CK04V090 S2004 11 07.96307 14 53 18.7 -17 47 42 EX073249 CK04V090 s2004 11 07.96307 2 -0.00967905 -0.00324932 -0.00158415 EX073249 CK04V090 S2004 11 07.99590 14 52 56.4 -17 40 43 EX073249 CK04V090 s2004 11 07.99590 2 -0.00967581 -0.00325379 -0.00158510 EX073249 CK04V090 S2004 11 08.00423 14 52 50.5 -17 38 51 EX073249 CK04V090 s2004 11 08.00423 2 -0.00967500 -0.00325491 -0.00158533 EX073249 CK04V090 S2004 11 08.02090 14 52 39.1 -17 35 14 EX073249 CK04V090 s2004 11 08.02090 2 -0.00967336 -0.00325717 -0.00158582 EX073249 CK04V090 S2004 11 08.03757 14 52 27.9 -17 31 34 EX073249 CK04V090 s2004 11 08.03757 2 -0.00967171 -0.00325944 -0.00158630 EX073249 CK04V090 S2004 11 08.06373 14 52 09.9 -17 25 52 EX073249 CK04V090 s2004 11 08.06373 2 -0.00966912 -0.00326299 -0.00158705 EX073249 CK04V090 S2004 11 08.07925 14 51 59.8 -17 22 25 EX073249 CK04V090 s2004 11 08.07925 2 -0.00966759 -0.00326510 -0.00158750 EX073249 CK04V090 S2004 11 08.08757 14 51 54.8 -17 20 35 EX073249 CK04V090 s2004 11 08.08757 2 -0.00966676 -0.00326623 -0.00158774 EX073249 CK04V090 S2004 11 08.10423 14 51 43.3 -17 16 59 EX073249 CK04V090 s2004 11 08.10423 2 -0.00966511 -0.00326850 -0.00158823 EX073249 CK04V090 S2004 11 08.12111 14 51 32.6 -17 13 17 EX073249 CK04V090 s2004 11 08.12111 2 -0.00966343 -0.00327079 -0.00158872 EX073249 CK04V090 S2004 11 08.12924 14 51 26.4 -17 11 32 EX073249 CK04V090 s2004 11 08.12924 2 -0.00966263 -0.00327190 -0.00158895 EX073249 CK04V090 S2004 11 08.14590 14 51 16.3 -17 07 43 EX073249 CK04V090 s2004 11 08.14590 2 -0.00966097 -0.00327417 -0.00158943 EX073249 CK04V090 S2004 11 08.16257 14 51 06.0 -17 04 03 EX073249 CK04V090 s2004 11 08.16257 2 -0.00965931 -0.00327643 -0.00158992 EX073249 CK04V090 S2004 11 08.17090 14 51 00.4 -17 02 14 EX073249 CK04V090 s2004 11 08.17090 2 -0.00965848 -0.00327757 -0.00159016 EX073249 CK04V090 S2004 11 08.18757 14 50 50.3 -16 58 28 EX073249 CK04V090 s2004 11 08.18757 2 -0.00965682 -0.00327984 -0.00159064 EX073249 CK04V090 S2004 11 08.20423 14 50 39.8 -16 54 40 EX073249 CK04V090 s2004 11 08.20423 2 -0.00965515 -0.00328211 -0.00159113 EX073249 CK04V090 S2004 11 08.21256 14 50 35.2 -16 52 53 EX073249 CK04V090 s2004 11 08.21256 2 -0.00965432 -0.00328324 -0.00159137 EX073249 CK04V090 S2004 11 08.22923 14 50 25.4 -16 49 10 EX073249 CK04V090 s2004 11 08.22923 2 -0.00965265 -0.00328551 -0.00159185 EX073249 CK04V090 S2004 11 08.24591 14 50 15.4 -16 45 23 EX073249 CK04V090 s2004 11 08.24591 2 -0.00965098 -0.00328779 -0.00159234 EX073249 CK04V090 S2004 11 08.25423 14 50 10.7 -16 43 33 EX073249 CK04V090 s2004 11 08.25423 2 -0.00965015 -0.00328892 -0.00159258 EX073249 CK04V090 S2004 11 08.27090 14 50 01.2 -16 39 51 EX073249 CK04V090 s2004 11 08.27090 2 -0.00964848 -0.00329119 -0.00159307 EX073249 CK04V090 S2004 11 08.28758 14 49 52.0 -16 36 23 EX073249 CK04V090 s2004 11 08.28758 2 -0.00964680 -0.00329347 -0.00159355 EX073249 CK04V090 S2004 11 08.31379 14 49 37.6 -16 30 24 EX073249 CK04V090 s2004 11 08.31379 2 -0.00964417 -0.00329705 -0.00159432 EX073249 CK04V090 S2004 11 08.32923 14 49 29.6 -16 27 01 EX073249 CK04V090 s2004 11 08.32923 2 -0.00964261 -0.00329915 -0.00159477 EX073249 CK04V090 S2004 11 08.33757 14 49 25.5 -16 25 11 EX073249 CK04V090 s2004 11 08.33757 2 -0.00964177 -0.00330029 -0.00159501 EX073249 CK04V090 S2004 11 08.35423 14 49 17.1 -16 21 35 EX073249 CK04V090 s2004 11 08.35423 2 -0.00964009 -0.00330257 -0.00159550 EX073249 CK04V090 S2004 11 08.40425 14 48 54.3 -16 11 03 EX073249 CK04V090 s2004 11 08.40425 2 -0.00963504 -0.00330939 -0.00159696 EX073249 CK04V090 S2004 11 08.43065 14 48 43.9 -16 05 27 EX073249 CK04V090 s2004 11 08.43065 2 -0.00963237 -0.00331300 -0.00159773 EX073249 CK04V090 S2004 11 08.44590 14 48 37.7 -16 02 04 EX073249 CK04V090 s2004 11 08.44590 2 -0.00963082 -0.00331509 -0.00159817 EX073249 CK04V090 S2004 11 08.47090 14 48 29.3 -15 56 52 EX073249 CK04V090 s2004 11 08.47090 2 -0.00962828 -0.00331851 -0.00159891 EX073249 CK04V090 S2004 11 08.48757 14 48 21.7 -15 53 43 EX073249 CK04V090 s2004 11 08.48757 2 -0.00962659 -0.00332079 -0.00159939 EX073249 CK04V090 S2004 11 08.51258 14 48 13.2 -15 48 28 EX073249 CK04V090 s2004 11 08.51258 2 -0.00962404 -0.00332421 -0.00160013 EX073249 CK04V090 S2004 11 08.52923 14 48 07.0 -15 45 15 EX073249 CK04V090 s2004 11 08.52923 2 -0.00962234 -0.00332649 -0.00160062 EX073249 CK04V090 S2004 11 08.57095 14 47 59.1 -15 37 46 EX073249 CK04V090 s2004 11 08.57095 2 -0.00961808 -0.00333220 -0.00160184 EX073249 CK04V090 S2004 11 08.59590 14 47 51.6 -15 33 24 EX073249 CK04V090 s2004 11 08.59590 2 -0.00961552 -0.00333562 -0.00160257 EX073249 CK04V090 S2004 11 08.61256 14 47 49.2 -15 30 28 EX073249 CK04V090 s2004 11 08.61256 2 -0.00961381 -0.00333790 -0.00160306 EX073249 CK04V090 S2004 11 08.63756 14 47 46.8 -15 26 06 EX073249 CK04V090 s2004 11 08.63756 2 -0.00961125 -0.00334133 -0.00160380 EX073249 CK04V090 S2004 11 08.65423 14 47 44.4 -15 23 08 EX073249 CK04V090 s2004 11 08.65423 2 -0.00960953 -0.00334362 -0.00160429 EX073249 CK04V090 S2004 11 08.67923 14 47 42.6 -15 19 45 EX073249 CK04V090 s2004 11 08.67923 2 -0.00960696 -0.00334705 -0.00160502 EX073249 CK04V090 S2004 11 08.69590 14 47 43.8 -15 16 47 EX073249 CK04V090 s2004 11 08.69590 2 -0.00960524 -0.00334933 -0.00160552 EX073249 CK04V090 S2004 11 08.72090 14 47 41.0 -15 12 43 EX073249 CK04V090 s2004 11 08.72090 2 -0.00960266 -0.00335277 -0.00160625 EX073249 CK04V090 S2004 11 08.73757 14 47 41.6 -15 10 26 EX073249 CK04V090 s2004 11 08.73757 2 -0.00960094 -0.00335505 -0.00160674 EX073249 CK04V090 S2004 11 08.76257 14 47 42.3 -15 06 53 EX073249 CK04V090 s2004 11 08.76257 2 -0.00959835 -0.00335849 -0.00160748 EX073249 CK04V090 S2004 11 08.77923 14 47 43.0 -15 04 36 EX073249 CK04V090 s2004 11 08.77923 2 -0.00959662 -0.00336078 -0.00160797 EX073249 CK04V090 S2004 11 08.82092 14 47 46.1 -14 59 26 EX073249 CK04V090 s2004 11 08.82092 2 -0.00959229 -0.00336651 -0.00160920 EX073249 CK04V090 S2004 11 08.84590 14 47 49.8 -14 56 31 EX073249 CK04V090 s2004 11 08.84590 2 -0.00958969 -0.00336994 -0.00160994 EX073249 CK04V090 S2004 11 08.86256 14 47 51.5 -14 54 49 EX073249 CK04V090 s2004 11 08.86256 2 -0.00958796 -0.00337224 -0.00161044 EX073249 CK04V090 S2004 11 08.88779 14 47 57.5 -14 51 52 EX073249 CK04V090 s2004 11 08.88779 2 -0.00958532 -0.00337571 -0.00161118 EX073249 CK04V090 S2004 11 08.90424 14 48 00.1 -14 50 11 EX073249 CK04V090 s2004 11 08.90424 2 -0.00958361 -0.00337797 -0.00161167 EX073249 CK04V090 S2004 11 08.92923 14 48 05.1 -14 47 30 EX073249 CK04V090 s2004 11 08.92923 2 -0.00958099 -0.00338141 -0.00161241 EX073249 CK04V090 S2004 11 08.97101 14 48 15.1 -14 44 11 EX073249 CK04V090 s2004 11 08.97101 2 -0.00957661 -0.00338716 -0.00161365 EX073249 CK04V090 S2004 11 08.98757 14 48 20.8 -14 42 22 EX073249 CK04V090 s2004 11 08.98757 2 -0.00957487 -0.00338945 -0.00161414 EX073249 CK04V090 S2004 11 09.01668 14 48 29.0 -14 40 13 EX073249 CK04V090 s2004 11 09.01668 2 -0.00957181 -0.00339346 -0.00161501 EX073249 CK04V090 S2004 11 09.03344 14 48 33.7 -14 38 48 EX073249 CK04V090 s2004 11 09.03344 2 -0.00957004 -0.00339577 -0.00161550 EX073249 CK04V090 S2004 11 09.07090 14 48 46.9 -14 36 21 EX073249 CK04V090 s2004 11 09.07090 2 -0.00956609 -0.00340094 -0.00161662 EX073249 CK04V090 S2004 11 09.09590 14 48 55.5 -14 34 58 EX073249 CK04V090 s2004 11 09.09590 2 -0.00956344 -0.00340439 -0.00161736 EX073249 CK04V090 S2004 11 09.11256 14 49 01.9 -14 33 41 EX073249 CK04V090 s2004 11 09.11256 2 -0.00956168 -0.00340668 -0.00161786 EX073249 CK04V090 S2004 11 09.13756 14 49 09.5 -14 32 21 EX073249 CK04V090 s2004 11 09.13756 2 -0.00955903 -0.00341014 -0.00161860 EX073249 CK04V090 S2004 11 09.15423 14 49 16.4 -14 31 27 EX073249 CK04V090 s2004 11 09.15423 2 -0.00955726 -0.00341244 -0.00161910 EX073249 CK04V090 S2004 11 09.17923 14 49 28.6 -14 30 04 EX073249 CK04V090 s2004 11 09.17923 2 -0.00955460 -0.00341589 -0.00161984 EX073249 CK04V090 S2004 11 09.19590 14 49 34.6 -14 29 35 EX073249 CK04V090 s2004 11 09.19590 2 -0.00955283 -0.00341819 -0.00162034 EX073249 CK04V090 S2004 11 09.22091 14 49 47.1 -14 28 36 EX073249 CK04V090 s2004 11 09.22091 2 -0.00955016 -0.00342165 -0.00162109 EX073249 CK04V090 S2004 11 09.23756 14 49 51.5 -14 27 20 EX073249 CK04V090 s2004 11 09.23756 2 -0.00954838 -0.00342395 -0.00162158 EX073249 CK04V090 S2004 11 09.26258 14 50 03.1 -14 26 33 EX073249 CK04V090 s2004 11 09.26258 2 -0.00954571 -0.00342741 -0.00162233 EX073249 CK04V090 S2004 11 09.27923 14 50 10.9 -14 25 46 EX073249 CK04V090 s2004 11 09.27923 2 -0.00954393 -0.00342971 -0.00162283 EX073249 CK04V090 S2004 11 09.32090 14 50 27.0 -14 24 21 EX073249 CK04V090 s2004 11 09.32090 2 -0.00953946 -0.00343548 -0.00162407 EX073249 CK04V090 S2004 11 09.34590 14 50 39.5 -14 23 22 EX073249 CK04V090 s2004 11 09.34590 2 -0.00953677 -0.00343894 -0.00162482 EX073249 CK04V090 S2004 11 09.36256 14 50 48.5 -14 23 43 EX073249 CK04V090 s2004 11 09.36256 2 -0.00953498 -0.00344125 -0.00162532 EX073249 CK04V100 S2004 11 08.12924 14 49 44.1 -16 43 07 EX073249 CK04V100 s2004 11 08.12924 2 -0.00966263 -0.00327190 -0.00158895 EX073249 CK04V100 S2004 11 08.14590 14 49 36.9 -16 39 33 EX073249 CK04V100 s2004 11 08.14590 2 -0.00966097 -0.00327417 -0.00158943 EX073249 CK04V100 S2004 11 08.16257 14 49 26.9 -16 35 58 EX073249 CK04V100 s2004 11 08.16257 2 -0.00965931 -0.00327643 -0.00158992 EX073249 CK04V100 S2004 11 08.17090 14 49 22.0 -16 34 06 EX073249 CK04V100 s2004 11 08.17090 2 -0.00965848 -0.00327757 -0.00159016 EX073249 CK04V100 S2004 11 08.18757 14 49 13.2 -16 30 19 EX073249 CK04V100 s2004 11 08.18757 2 -0.00965682 -0.00327984 -0.00159064 EX073249 CK04V100 S2004 11 08.20423 14 49 04.2 -16 26 43 EX073249 CK04V100 s2004 11 08.20423 2 -0.00965515 -0.00328211 -0.00159113 EX073249 CK04V100 S2004 11 08.21256 14 48 59.7 -16 24 39 EX073249 CK04V100 s2004 11 08.21256 2 -0.00965432 -0.00328324 -0.00159137 EX073249 CK04V100 S2004 11 08.22923 14 48 51.5 -16 21 16 EX073249 CK04V100 s2004 11 08.22923 2 -0.00965265 -0.00328551 -0.00159185 EX073249 CK04V100 S2004 11 08.24591 14 48 43.9 -16 17 42 EX073249 CK04V100 s2004 11 08.24591 2 -0.00965098 -0.00328779 -0.00159234 EX073249 Observer details: 249 SOHO. SOHO-LASCO coronagraphs C2 and C3. Comet detections by H. Otterstedt and K. Battams, measurements by K. Battams, reductions by B. G. Marsden. Orbital elements: Comet T q e Peri. Node Incl. C CK04V090 2004 Nov. 8.56 0.0492 1.0 22.51 81.51 26.52 X CK04V100 2004 Nov. 8.45 0.0488 1.0 22.79 81.86 26.40 X Although the orbits computed for the SOHO comets that are members of sungrazing groups other than Kreutz have hitherto necessarily been assumed to be parabolic, the low orbital inclinations and the indicated associations with meteor streams suggest that the members of the Marsden and Kracht groups, at least, are of short period (which still means that e is no smaller than 0.98). If so, it might now be the case that individual members can be recognized at more than one perihelion passage. Furthermore, the implied success in having at least one member survive perihelion passage would provide an obvious mechanism for the continued maintenance of these comet groups. It is eminently possible that C/2004 V9 is in fact identical with C/1999 J6 (cf. MPEC 2000-F30). To demonstrate this, the following represents a tentative linkage of the observations. Since there is a well-known inconsistency between the C3 and C2 observations, only the latter (i.e., those of the 1999 comet made on May 11.46257 UT and earlier and those of the 2004 comet on Nov. 8.35423 and earlier) have been used, the resulting residuals being very comparable to those of the individual parabolic solutions. It should also be noted that the object would have passed only 0.0091 AU from the moon and 0.0087 AU from the earth on 1999 June 12.22 and 12.31 UT, respectively: Epoch 1999 May 22.0 TT = JDT 2451320.5 T 1999 May 11.58356 TT MPC q 0.0491317 (2000.0) P Q n 0.17952782 Peri. 22.21043 -0.20252199 -0.87330037 a 3.1120618 Node 81.80049 +0.81764025 -0.39980558 e 0.9842125 Incl. 26.59424 +0.53893345 +0.27839172 P 5.49 Epoch 2004 Nov. 11.0 TT = JDT 2453320.5 T 2004 Nov. 8.56075 TT MPC q 0.0490617 (2000.0) P Q n 0.17940682 Peri. 22.31612 -0.20213975 -0.87355162 a 3.1134609 Node 81.67998 +0.81732637 -0.39954766 e 0.9842421 Incl. 26.58223 +0.53955270 +0.27797346 P 5.49 Residuals in seconds of arc J995A 249 (4.3- 16.1-)Y J995B 249 (1.6- 10.6+)Y K04B7 249 3.4+ 1.3- Y J995A 249 (7.2- 15.6-)Y J995B 249 (4.2+ 11.2-)Y K04B8 249 0.7+ 2.3+ Y J995A 249 2.8+ 6.3- Y J995B 249(14.1- 3.3+)Y K04B8 249 0.3+ 1.7+ Y J995A 249 7.0- 1.9- Y J995B 249 0.8- 1.4+ Y K04B8 249 1.9+ 3.3+ Y J995A 249 6.1- 6.1- Y J995B 249 3.2+ 4.0+ Y K04B8 249 3.8- 0.9+ Y J995A 249 1.4+ 8.9- Y J995B 249 1.3+ 4.0+ Y K04B8 249 0.3- 2.8+ Y J995A 249(19.9+ 28.3-)Y J995B 249 8.3- 4.9- Y K04B8 249 7.1+ 2.6+ Y J995A 249 1.9+ 1.1- Y J995B 249(12.9- 13.5+)Y K04B8 249 0.5- 2.6- Y J995A 249 (3.6- 10.7+)Y J995B 249 2.3- 0.5- Y K04B8 249 3.8+ 5.2- Y J995A 249 5.1+ 0.4- Y J995B 249 8.4+ 5.2+ Y K04B8 249 9.7- 8.5- Y J995B 249 0.4- 5.9+ Y J995B 249 1.3- 1.0+ Y K04B8 249 1.3- 1.8- Y J995B 249(10.9+ 8.6-)Y J995B 249 2.9- 2.4+ Y K04B8 249 2.4+ 4.5- Y J995B 249 0.0 4.5+ Y J995B 249 1.1- 1.3- Y K04B8 249 2.9- 6.9- Y J995B 249 (6.8+ 10.4-)Y K04B7 249 (9.8+ 57.8-)Y K04B8 249 0.6+ 3.9- Y J995B 249 (4.0- 23.5-)Y K04B7 249 0.3+ 0.1+ Y K04B8 249 3.9- 1.1+ Y J995B 249(10.2- 22.8-)Y K04B7 249 3.6- 6.8+ Y K04B8 249 2.3+ 3.3- Y J995B 249(23.8- 11.5+)Y K04B7 249 2.4+ 4.7+ Y K04B8 249 4.3+ 3.2- Y J995B 249 1.0- 4.3+ Y K04B7 249 6.3- 5.9- Y K04B8 249 0.8+ 1.0+ Y J995B 249 3.0- 6.4+ Y K04B7 249 4.1- 5.1+ Y K04B8 249 2.2+ 0.0 Y J995B 249 9.0+ 3.6- Y K04B7 249 4.7+ 2.0+ Y K04B8 249 1.5+ 0.1- Y J995B 249 (8.0- 9.9+)Y K04B7 249 0.9+ 0.8- Y K04B8 249 (2.2+ 13.6-)Y J995B 249 4.4- 1.5- Y K04B7 249 5.8- 0.6+ Y K04B8 249 2.6- 1.2- Y J995B 249 1.3+ 2.8- Y K04B7 249 1.6+ 3.7+ Y K04B8 249 2.6- 1.3- Y J995B 249 (9.7- 15.7-)Y K04B7 249 1.7+ 3.1+ Y K04B8 249 0.7- 0.5- Y J995B 249 1.6- 4.9+ Y K04B7 249 1.2- 4.6+ Y K04B8 249 2.9- 1.8- Y Earlier computations, by both the undersigned and P. Chodas, Jet Propulsion Laboratory, had suggested linkages among C2 observations of Kracht Group comets, namely, the possibility that C/1999 M3 (MPEC 2002-E18) = C/2004 L10 (MPEC 2004-O05) and that C/1999 N6 (MPEC 2002-F03) = C/2004 J4 or C/2004 J18 (MPEC 2004-M71, 2004-N05). Brian G. Marsden (C) Copyright 2004 MPC M.P.E.C. 2004-X73


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